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Mallory Thompson Quotes

Andrew Hitz

Back in 2018 I had the good fortune to see Dr. Mallory Thompson in action at the Shenandoah Conducting Symposium. She is a dear friend and mentor and I surprised her by not only crashing the symposium but then playing in the ensemble while she worked with the conductors.

I had my phone on my stand the entire time because I was frantically taking notes. She is a phenomenal musician and master teacher.

Here are 45 Mallory Thompson quotes that I jotted down over the two days I was there. She discusses stick technique, score study, creativity, putting in the work, rehearsal technique and so much more! Enjoy!

  • “Conducting is just body language with a baton.”

  • “Conduct your students like playing piano isn't a punishment.”

  • “Piano needs tone.”

  • “You're going to leave here with too much information. You need to come up with a hierarchy and a pedagogy for how you are going to implement this stuff.”

  • “Don't work on 10 things. You'll get discouraged. Anyone can improve one or two things.” 

  • “A staccato two pattern is a V. A legato two pattern is becoming a U. A really legato two pattern is becoming a saucer.... Then tighten the V for more staccato.”

  • “I did this. I put a piece of paper up on the wall and mirrored it. If you want to do this, don't think you can do it without doing the work.”

  • “You practice that 30 minutes a day for a month and you'll never have to think about it ever again.”

  • “Conducting is getting rid of stuff and responding to what you hear.”

  • “We're either going to celebrate great playing or incite great playing.” 

  • “When you're playing with a kid, you don't think 'I need to be playful. What does that look like?' They'll run screaming from you.“ 

  • “You have to be a human. You can't take something that requires creativity and make a checklist out of it.”

  • “What you have to have as a priority is looking at things in a creative way.”

  • “Welcome to the work...You can't take somebody else's words and think it'll work for you. It's like listening to a recording and trying to conduct a piece that way. It won't work because you did not do the work to get to that interpretation.”

  • “You can't take Carlos Klibur's moves. They're not going to work for you because you didn't do the work.”

  • “We don't do cut offs. Releases.”

  • “There's a difference between being in time and moving through time... It changes the resonance of a group when you're pulling them through time.” 

  • “When writing in a cue, draw an arc with an arrow leading to where that entrance is going so you bring them in in motion.”

  • “You do it by doing it.”

  • “I do not believe that you want that crescendo. I believe that you want it as an intellectual construct, but I don't believe you *really* want it.”

  • “Wanting things doesn't mean time is suspended. Time has to be there.”

  • “I'm going to lead. But I can't really go anywhere until I feel the sound come back to me (on the first note.)”

  • “This is where you have to look like the greatest musicians sound.”

  • “If you want it, you have to be willing to do anything to get it. You have to be willing to look ridiculous.”

  • “When something is already fine and you keep going after it, it is either going to make it louder or heavier.”

  • “Let them fail temporarily. And then let them fix it.”

  • “Pulse is a feeling. Pulse isn't numbers.”

  • “If I'm teaching music, I need to study music.”

  • “If you're too busy to score study, I think you need to reevaluate how you are spending your time.”

  • “Knowing a score is like getting to know a person.”

  • “Score study is not score marking. Don't mark who has the melody. Learn it!”

  • “We're willing to let things fail to let something else succeed.”

  • “I start with rhythm because rhythm fixes a lot.”

  • “Really great professionals never sound like they're playing anything fast. Everything has space.”

  • “Rhythm fixes pitch. Rhythm fixes tuning. Rhythm creates a greater awareness of balance.”

  • “Get the rhythm to speak and be resonant.”

  • “Rhythm is key to style.”

  • “Focus on something great. The only thing that will get my attention faster than a bad cymbal crash is a really good cymbal crash.”

  • “I'll say 'Let's start by blending. Don't even worry about the tuning.'”

  • “The thing about pulse is that we can't work it for them to feel it. They have to feel it. That's something that has to be taught, not shown.”

  • “I use the word listen a lot. I don't use the word watch very often.”

  • “(Why she has a band play by itself when it's dragging rather than beat time for them:) I'm not going to damage my arm because you guys won't listen.”

  • “My path is mine. You may go faster than me, but I'm running my own race. This is going to take as long as it takes.”

  • “The instrument is the messenger, not the message.”

  • “Is the music singing or dancing? How can I empower the song in the dance? And how can I empower the dance in the song?”

You must do the work

Andrew Hitz

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Dr. Mallory Thompson is one of my mentors. She is one of the best musicians I have ever worked with in my career. She has ears for days and the ability to convey what she wants as a conductor not just through words but through looks, gestures and body language. It is a pleasure to play under her baton. Any time she is even in the room she challenges me to be my absolute best.

This past summer, we welcomed her to Shenandoah Conservatory for our Instrumental Conducting Symposium. I visited for a day to see her and to recharge my musical batteries. While sitting in the ensemble I jotted down close to 50 quotes from her that I will post here in their entirety soon.

At one point, Dr. Thompson was working with a conductor on their two-pattern. She mentioned that a staccato two-pattern is like a “V” and that a legato two-pattern is more like a “U”. She then encouraged this person to write a large U and a large V on a piece of paper, tape it to the wall and mirror the letters with their baton.

Then she said something which will stick with me for a long time:

I did this. I put a piece of paper up on the wall and mirrored it. If you want to do this, don’t think you can do it without doing the work.
— Dr. Mallory Thompson, Director of Bands at Northwestern University

Boom.

Like basically all great teaching, this is nothing revolutionary. This has been said thousands of ways by thousands of teachers throughout history.

But Dr. Thompson always finds a way to put things very succinctly. She didn’t simply say do the work. She quite specifically told this conductor to not expect the results she got from doing the work without doing the work themselves.

So obvious and yet something that is rarely put that clearly. That’s putting the dots awfully close together.

Her quote reminded me of something David Zerkel once told one of my students in a master class. He told them that if they practiced lip slurs every day for two full weeks, “The lip trill fairy will pay you a visit.” It’s really not complicated.

This also reminds me of a Facebook post I made a few years ago that said mentioned how hard it is to play in all registers at all dynamic levels with a great sound. My tuba professor from Northwestern, Rex Martin, commented on that post with something to the effect of “It’s actually not that difficult. It just takes an enormous amount of work.” He’s right.

Without exception, the people who can conduct, play the clarinet or speak to a crowd better than you can have spent more time than you have improving their craft. It is all about sustained and focused effort over an extended period of time.

Literally everyone who pays $400 to attend a conducting symposium will go home and practice a few of the things they learned for the first couple of days. But I wonder what the numbers are for the people who are still doing the aforementioned paper on the wall trick 15 days later. Or 30 days later. Or 45 days later.

I bet the drop off is steep after just a few days.

For those of us who want to conduct like Dr. Thompson, we have to do the work. Thank you for the reminder, Mallory.

Insights on Playing from Mallory Thompson

Andrew Hitz

"I think that….wherever you are in your career, it’s all the same…you’re working on the same things…making good attacks, making good releases, playing musically, showing a wide dynamic range, and not taking anything musical for granted."

-Dr. Mallory Thompson (Director of Bands at Northwestern University)

Dr. Thompson is probably the best conductor I've ever played for in my career. I had the privilege of being in her first band at Northwestern on the heels of being in John Paynter's last band there.

The beauty of her as an educator is that she demands the exact same things of everyone in front of her, like the list above.

Pleasing a set of ears like Mallory Thompson's is not complicated. It's just a lot of work long before you sit down in front of her.

Northwestern University Symphonic Wind Ensemble: Monday YouTube Fix

Andrew Hitz

I was lucky enough to play in the Northwestern University Symphonic Wind Ensemble under both John Paynter and Mallory Thompson.  Those performances rank as some of my most cherished in my career.  The level of musicianship that was demanded of me by both conductors as well as the colleagues I was surrounded by was intense and exhilarating.

Filling the shoes of John Paynter, an absolute legend in the band world, was no easy task.  Mallory Thompson stepped in from day one as if that job had been waiting for her all along.  She remains one of the most rewarding conductors I have ever played for.  Nothing gets past her ears.  Nothing.

This is a fantastic recording of Johann Sebastian Bach's "Toccata and Fugue in D Minor" arranged by Donald Hunsberger.  As with all great university wind ensembles of this caliber, it is hard to believe these are college kids.  And Mallory Thompson's interpretation is, as always, spot on.

Enjoy!

Northwestern University Symphonic Wind Ensemble Toccata and Fugue in D Minor, BWV 565 - Johann Sebastian Bach arr. Donald Hunsberger